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Re: Ta'anis 006b: The Berachah said on rain in Eretz Yisrael

Michael Winokur <michaelswinokur@yahoo.com> asked:

Michael asked earlier:

>> Does the berach on rain have an introduction containing shem and malchus...<<

The Kollel replied:

>>TOSFOS in Berachos ^[1] explains that a Berachah of

Hoda'ah, a Berachah of praise to Hashem ^[2], does not need to open with the text of a Berachah with

Shem u'Malchus.<<

Michael asked further:

The Shem is obviously there. But where is Malchus? The word Melech

does not appear. Is it implicit in the Shem?

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The Kollel replies:

^[3] The word "Malkeinu" appears in the Berachah ^[4]. We find that, according to

some Rishonim, appearances of Malchus, even when not in the actual Chasimah

^[5], still count as the necessary Malchus, as the Beis Yosef,

citing from the Rosh and Tosfos, mentions in OC 214.

^[6] It is interesting to note, though, that the RAN ^[7] says that the end of the Berachah should indeed include the word

"Melech" ^[8] for this reason.

^[9] The RA'AVAD ^[10], as quoted by

the TUR ^[11], maintains that a Birchas Hoda'ah does *not* require

Malchus like other types of Berachos do. Although all of the Rishonim argue

with the Ra'avad, the PERISHAH there ^[12] writes that, "[The opinion of

the Ra'avad] is the source for the common practice that in a number of

Berachos, we do not say Malchus."

^[13]

Y. Shaw

1. 46a, DH ul'Man d'Amar
2. as opposed to Birchas ha'Nehenin or Birchas ha'Mitzvos
3. a
4. granted, not in the Chasimah itself, but right before the Chasimah
5. or Pesichah
6. b
7. Ta'anis 2a, DH Amar Rav Papa
8. "Baruch... Melech Rov ha'Hoda'os"
9. c
10. on the Ba'al ha'Me'or in Maseches Berachos
11. OC 218
12. 218:4
13. The MISHNAH BERURAH (214:1) says that the Halachah that a Berachah without Shem u'Malchus is not a Berachah applies to "both Birchos ha'Mitzvos and Birchos ha'Nehenin." He leaves out Birchos ha'Hoda'os, though, and it may be that he means to imply, like the Perishah, that Birchos ha'Hoda'os (such as the Berachah for rain in Eretz Yisrael) do not need Malchus.

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